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Post by NeoEllis on Oct 2, 2005 23:47:09 GMT -5
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GunnSlinger
Delta
I am going to kill you. Very slowly.
Posts: 188
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Post by GunnSlinger on Oct 2, 2005 23:57:35 GMT -5
I'll leave this little bit of wisdom before I dissappear again for a year or two.
(In response to your reply, Ellis)
All bullshit as far as I'm concerned. Not a bit of it matters. Not the ignorance, not the reality, or any of that muddy fucking mess.
Personally, I've never cared much about anything in my life. But I cared about the bar for a long time. Eventually, I just realized it was just as much of a pile of crap as anything else out there. Just like everything else, the bar is an ideal. An ideal we'll never fully realize until we're away from it for awhile. And it's a little sad, knowing that it'll never quite make it there, but that's simply how it is. This place, as fun as it is, will never live up to the legacy of what it's ideal really is, was, or will be. Even now, it's a fuckin' mess. But that doesn't matter at all. Not as long as people are here and having fun with it.
Maybe not the same fun we had back in the day. Maybe it'll never be that way again. But you know what? That's fine with me. Because if this place, as it is now, or as it will be tomorrow, changes anybody else as much as it did me, then some good's been done in the world.
This place is a mess. Always has been. Always will be. But it'll keep touching people, no matter what it becomes. And as far as I'm concerned, that's a great thing. Even if I'm not involved in it.
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Post by Draco Starcloud on Oct 3, 2005 0:50:22 GMT -5
Well put, Gunn.
On a lighter note, I give your movie a 4.75 out of 5.
There was a typo towards the beginning and sometimes the text seemed like it was placed willy-nilly instead of carefully, but what the Hell. It could have benefitted from a graphic of some sort, but not having one didn't detract from it.
On another note, AR is still a table.
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Post by NeoEllis on Oct 3, 2005 9:34:17 GMT -5
Well done Gunn! That's exactly the sort of response I had hoped to invoke, and I expected nothing less from you.
Although for the record, eternal recurrence isn't just a thought experiment these days, a good deal of cutting edge physics points toward it. Still, in spite of hard evidence, it can't be called fact.
Even so, if another person, in the past or in the future, did come about who looked just like you, thought and acted just like you and went through the same experiences as you, would that person truly be "you". That is, would you and that person share the same "soul"?
Probably not. After all, what are human beings if not self reproducing electro-chemical systems no different from bacteria other than in level of complexity? What are our minds, our spirits, our "souls", our egos if not the aggregates of experiences, the built in will to live and human logic. Are humans truly free to choose there own paths in life, or are we just fooling ourselves into believing that?
And, just how many times have "I" asked "you" this question?
Either way, even if there is no preset destiny in the world and there are no morals or values external to humanity, even if reality is simply too large for humanity -or anything- to grasp...
...we're all on our way to an inescapable fate. One day, we'll all be dead, passing these questions on to a new generation...
Forever.
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GunnSlinger
Delta
I am going to kill you. Very slowly.
Posts: 188
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Post by GunnSlinger on Oct 3, 2005 13:06:46 GMT -5
Yeah, and you're perpetuating that long line of bullshit by bringing it up here in the bar. Why don't we end the complicated conversation and let the new kids have some fun. My questions and secrets have been passed on. Maybe somebody will answer it someday. But not today. And that doesn't bother me a bit.
Now shut up. You're making my head hurt.
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Post by Ai on Oct 3, 2005 13:44:29 GMT -5
Philosophy is for fags.
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Post by Cygnus X-1 on Oct 3, 2005 14:27:32 GMT -5
For the best, for the best.
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Post by Craze on Oct 3, 2005 15:30:20 GMT -5
[Insert Christmas music]
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Post by Nowhere Man on Oct 3, 2005 17:01:10 GMT -5
*NM is sad because he missed both Gunn and Lita.*
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Post by NeoEllis on Oct 3, 2005 17:19:44 GMT -5
If you people won't let me consensually mind fuck you, then I'll just end up mind raping you!
Besides, if nothing else, I thought a brief and existential reflection on how the Bar just keeps going and going would be an interesting theme.
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Post by Craze on Oct 3, 2005 17:23:08 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a great theme.
*Sips a red comet.*
10 Hours Later.
*Sips a red comet.*
100 Hours Later.
*Sips a red comet.*
1000 Hours Later.
*Sips a red comet.*
...Yeah, the bar does just keep going, no matter the times.
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Post by NeoEllis on Oct 3, 2005 17:29:42 GMT -5
Yeah, this bar itself is number 56 if you count all the way back to this first one at the Old MSPB. Amazing, almost.
If God is all powerful and all loving, how can there be evil in the world? If there is evil in the world and God is all powerful, how can he be all loving? If God is all loving and he allows evil to exist, how can he be all powerful?
(Expect me to throw out some philosophical questions here and there for the duration of the Bar. Because human beings are completely free to choose their path in life, no one has to answer them, necessarily, but at least think about them.)
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Post by Craze on Oct 3, 2005 17:45:46 GMT -5
Without evil, there is no good.
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Post by NeoEllis on Oct 3, 2005 17:58:38 GMT -5
No. Without evil it would be difficult to distinguish good from evil. However, two events which are "good" and "evil", respectively, are independent of one another. Helping a blind man does not entail harming a cripple.
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Post by Draco Starcloud on Oct 3, 2005 18:39:15 GMT -5
If you people won't let me consensually mind fuck you, then I'll just end up mind raping you! Just what we don't need. Another skinny white boy with no talent trying to be a raper. You're the next f-ing Vanilla Ice, aren't you? AREN'T YOU?
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