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Post by Naz T Mann on May 31, 2005 18:24:44 GMT -5
wow, Raz just owned us all. You're suprised? I am the Grand Marshall of Ownage, The King of Zing, the Homicidal, Suicidal, Genocidal Superstar, the Iyatollah of Rock and Rollah... and more nicknames I have given myself over the years. I removed my post, because i change my mind. While your thought was valid, it wasn't quite correct, because Leia wasn't referring to her adopted mother in the scene. But, yes, Leia's adopted parents both died i believe.
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Post by The Giant-Size Man Thing on May 31, 2005 18:29:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I think Leia's adoptive mother died before ANH, but Bail definately died when the Death Star blew up Alderaan. But remember, Luke stressed his line:
"Do you remember your mother. Your real mother?"
Leia only said she vaguely remembers images and feelings.
You know how people believe they remember being born? It might be like that. Made-up memories. I still like the Force bond or whatever, though.
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Post by Xtermo on Jun 1, 2005 17:22:18 GMT -5
Goj, stop defending it. It's a plothole, plain and simple. It could have been avoided or explained, but it wasn't. Lucas doesn't need you kissing his ass. He gets all the love and attention he needs from his millions of dollars.
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Post by The Giant-Size Man Thing on Jun 1, 2005 18:23:49 GMT -5
It's not a plothole. It's you making it a plothole. Get your head out of your ass and realize that.
Leia remembered IMAGES and FEELINGS, not real MEMORIES. Leia pictured Padme as beautiful but sad, just as she was when the twins were born.
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Post by Xtermo on Jun 2, 2005 14:53:39 GMT -5
Sorry, Goj, but you're just being an idiot. She can't remember images of her mother, because she was never close enough as a newborn to have seen her. Even presuming that the film over her eyes were gone, newborns can only focus their eyes up to 16 or so inches (not to mention that the skill of controlling and focusing both eyes onto one object takes about a month to learn). Not having been that close to have been able to see her before she died, your explanation is weak and pathetic.
If she never saw her, then she lied to Luke about really remembering her, instead only having a "mental image" of how her mother could have been ideally. For all she could have known, given the available sensory information she had, her mother was a jolly, ugly old woman.
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Post by The Giant-Size Man Thing on Jun 2, 2005 15:02:56 GMT -5
Sorry, Goj, but you're just being an idiot. She can't remember images of her mother, because she was never close enough as a newborn to have seen her. Even presuming that the film over her eyes were gone, newborns can only focus their eyes up to 16 or so inches (not to mention that the skill of controlling and focusing both eyes onto one object takes about a month to learn). Not having been that cose to have been able to see her before she died, your explanation is weak and pathetic. If she never saw her, then she lied to Luke about really remembering her, instead only having a "mental image" of how her mother could have been ideally. How many times do I have to explain it. She's not remembering it because she remembers it, It's impossible for a newborn to remember anything. That part of the brain hasn't developed fully yet. But she remembered it because the Force imprinted the image in her mind. Hell, if the Force can allow Shmi Skywalker have a virgin birth, can allow other people to see events from across the galaxy that haven't even accured yet, lift giant objects, and allow 800 year old muppets to do backflips in the air, why is it a stretch to believe that it can also implant images into newborn's brains? We're not talking science here, we're talking about a supernatural force that no one can truly explain.
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Post by Xtermo on Jun 2, 2005 15:08:05 GMT -5
My reccomendation- stick to that Force explanation. Maybe if you tweak that enough, you'll be able to convince yourself that you're right. Whatever helps you sleep at night, man.
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Post by Ai on Jun 2, 2005 15:11:39 GMT -5
Hey. Shut up, both of you, or I'm shutting the thread down.
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Post by The Giant-Size Man Thing on Jun 2, 2005 15:22:04 GMT -5
Heh, Xtermo thinks he won, but whatever.
Anyway, what else can I defend? Hmm....
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Post by Xtermo on Jun 2, 2005 16:31:14 GMT -5
I dunno, but on pretty much anything else, I'll end up on your side anyways, so... *extends lightsaber* let's kick some ass.
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Post by Raz V5.0 on Jun 2, 2005 16:47:06 GMT -5
That is very un-becoming of a Jedi.
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Post by Xtermo on Jun 2, 2005 17:45:10 GMT -5
Pff... Who said anything about the Jedi? I just do what needs to be done to further my own cause. Rules of engagement just make things slow.
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Post by The Giant-Size Man Thing on Jun 2, 2005 18:14:59 GMT -5
Besides, only Sith deal in absolutes.
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Post by Juan on Jun 9, 2005 0:16:25 GMT -5
But the Jedi themselves attempt for purity, which is an absolute in itself.
Do or do not, there is no try is a statement in the absolutely. There is no middle ground. *grin*
Is this a plothole? Nope, the Sith did say that the Jedi order was corrupt. And it was in a way very blind. You'll notice if you read the EU that alot of things change with the Jedi order.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 9, 2005 0:35:58 GMT -5
*Suddenly has a devine epiphany... sort of.* Holy crap! I suddenly realized what that odd exchange between Yoda and Obi-Wan was all about, right at the end of the movie, when both are sitting in that room on the Tantive IV (whew, how's that for a mouthful?). Doesn't Yoda say that he "communed with Qui-Gon Jin", and that he'd "gained the secret to immortality", or some such nonsense? What if he was talking about submitting to the Force? After all, we only see two Jedi do so in the entirety of the series: Obi-Wan and Yoda, both of which live on in spirit to guide Luke. Of course, this begs the question of why Anakin appears with his two spectral teachers in RotJ, so maybe I'm just tired and need to fall asleep...
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