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Post by The Giant-Size Man Thing on May 21, 2005 11:35:29 GMT -5
Absolutely.
Brilliant. Fucking brilliant. Best Star Wars film made. I'm still speechless. It was just so... good. Words can't describe. The lightsabre duel between Anakin and Obi Wan was the highlight of the film. The music, the atmosphere, the sheer tragedy of the situation, since when did Lucas become such a great writer/director?
Oh, and here's a good quote from another message board:
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Post by Just a Memory on May 21, 2005 14:49:28 GMT -5
back juuust to discuss this wonderful film
It was excellent, all i have to say...saw it twice, went to the 12:05 showing near home and what not...then again yesterday...
What i really found interesting was how well Lucas ended the movie from a technology standpoint. If you noticed, it seemed that the buttons and dials and screens and what not on both the Corvette (i think thats at least part of the name) and then the ship where Vader and Palpy were in the end, seemed to become simplified, and much like those in the Ep. 4, made as we all know way back when...
I also noticed that Imperial Officer from Ep. 4 standing with them in the end...the one with the funny looking head, but uber snobby and makes the order to destroy Alderon (i can't spell as we all know) infront of Leia...what ever his name is...Gojira would know i'm sure, or someone else...but yeah he was there....just younger...
All in all...just simply awsome
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For those who haven't a clue whom i speak of, i just noticed its the same person in Cyg's Ava
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Post by Kensai on May 21, 2005 14:59:00 GMT -5
Grand Moff Tarkin. It was a good movie. I just wish that Grievous was a little more badass, and that they showed more wookie battles. I like the "order 66" scene, where all the jedi are killed off one by one. Another gripe is that Darth Vader was CG when he was in the suit. That kinda killed the scene for me. It was always more cool when it was an actual guy in the suit.
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Post by Triyun on May 21, 2005 15:52:51 GMT -5
Though the had a pretty good one at the beginning of Episode III, I thought the prequel trilogy does not have nearly enough space battles. They needed to put the STAR back in Star Wars
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Post by Just a Memory on May 21, 2005 15:55:30 GMT -5
Agreed to a point yes...They could do alot more with the space battles now with the technology they have, but the beginning battle sequence was one of the best space battle ones i've seen...
...oh...and Dooku so tottally got served like voltron (robot chicken refferance)
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Post by The Giant-Size Man Thing on May 21, 2005 16:03:42 GMT -5
Though the had a pretty good one at the beginning of Episode III, I thought the prequel trilogy does not have nearly enough space battles. They needed to put the STAR back in Star Wars The opening battle was going to be much longer, but I think Lucas decided to chop it out because of pacing issues. Hard to show character developement with capital ships, you know what I mean? Maybe they'll be included in the DVD or when Lucas releases all six movies in HD Format. Personally, though, I'm a fan of the ground battles. Hoth is still my favorite full-scale battle in all of the movies, and I was kind of hoping for a bit more on Kashyyyk. Again, pacing issues. It's understandable that he had to cut a LOT out just to get to the meat of the story. Infact, on the StarDestoyer.net forums there's a thread about everything they did cut. However, I forgive Lucas for so many cuts. The movie wasn't about the war, it was about Anakin's fall. The war was merely a backdrop, and that's how it was used.
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Post by Craze on May 21, 2005 22:20:24 GMT -5
I don't know, they could've done better in the script department and plot department. Some of the plot points felt a bit too stereotypical scifi/fantasy, sort of been-there-done-that.
And the conversations (a lot pertaining to Anakin and his girlfriend's conversations) were atrocious. If it just wasn't so cheesy, it would've made the movie darker emotionally; it really sapped the dark air from the movie.
That's not say that the movie was bad. I loved the "66" scene where the Jedi are murdered (*starts thinking of The Godfather*) and the ending. It was pretty good overall in counting everything, but I just feel that the original trilogy was better.
But, that's just my opinion.
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Post by Triyun on May 22, 2005 0:35:47 GMT -5
Yes the Padme/ Anakin dialogue could have been better there is no question about that. But the sheer awesomeness of Palpatine's lines overshadowed it.
"Not for a Jedi." has to be the greatest response the way he says it in all of SW.
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Post by The Giant-Size Man Thing on May 22, 2005 8:48:17 GMT -5
As I kind of said in the bar, the dialogue is forgivable. Look at all of the evidence: Anakin was raised by monks since he was 9, Padme was raised as an aristocrat all her life, they've been going through a war, a lot of crazy shit's been happening, etc.
Infact, the dialogue is actually believable to some, especially some married people. As I quoted in the bar, Mike Wong said he's glad that nobody ever recorded the cheesy stuff he said to his wife during the first years of his marriage. Get over it, they're a young, immature couple. They're going to be cheesy.
Infact, in that respect, George Lucas may actually be one of the better writers, instead of the worst. We're so used to seeing teenagers and children talking and acting like adults in movies and television that we don't think it's realistic, and when someone messes up a line instead of giving it flawlessly, we think they're retarded. C8, how many times in one day have you messed up a word or greated a goofy-sounding sentence? I dunno, maybe Lucas was trying to go for Realism instead of Hollywood.
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Post by Craze on May 22, 2005 12:07:35 GMT -5
I know I screw up talking English. Hell, I could never talk fluidly how I think or type.
Yeah, I guess the Padme/ Anakin dialogue is a little forgivable (if you've ever seen the dialogue's between Rose and Raiden in MGS2, which is a similar circumstnace, they just last forever...) but I would expect that in a glaxy far far away they'd have a bigger vocabulary. I'm not asking for Tarantino dialogue, his stuff wouldn't work in that enviremont.
The reason the dialogue in the original Star Wars trilogy worked better than the prequel trilogy was because the enviremont was more down-to-Earth in the originals, not so technological. They were in enviremonts where there were poor residents and bars and farmers and the like, low-lifes; and they were on sets that were simpler. There, spoken dialogue as they used would work. (But, I also have to take in the fact I haven't seen the original trilogy in a looooong time, so I might look back into it later in the week and watch them again.) But, in RotS they gave a technologically advanced society, you have wise members of society and you mostly see the upperclass. I would expect them to have read some books if they keep talking of prophesies and all that cal. And when they talk about prohpesies with such spoken language, I felt like I was watching a scifi B-movie.
But when you have spoken dialogue that is given as dryly as it was done in RotS, it sounds unrealistic and rather absurd. It doesn't convey emotion. Really, the movie, upon looking back, didn't seem to convey much emotion other than anger and few tidbits of others. In some parts the dialogue just doesn't feel right or way too simple. Now, this is my opinion, but I feel when it comes to any genre even fantasy or sci-fi, it doesn't matter how magical it seems or how nifty the characters are, if it has very little or no emotion then it has no point, it ceases just to be an "oooh" and "aaah" spectacal rather than an interesting and believeable story. Now, yes, in taken into account of kid stories and lighter shows, of course they are going to have cheesy dialogue because the mood is lighter, the audience is more kid/adolescent, and it either is going in a happier or heroic direction. Heck, sometimes some cheesy story is just enjoyable to watch even if it is cheesy (I fall victam to this when it comes to the Sonic the Hedgehog comics.) But, in the case of RotS, the mood was meant to be darker. It terms of colour, it was darker. In terms of emotion, it felt dry, barely dark. I've seen dark and gritty movies and movies where the characters became darker but the closest RotS ever got to being truly dark was when the Jedi were assassinated and the parts involving Anakin's freshly burnt body, but those were brief.
But, I hope you don't get worked up over this, I'm just not as much of a SW fan I used to be.
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Post by The Giant-Size Man Thing on May 22, 2005 13:42:53 GMT -5
I didn't think the acting was dry. Maybe I was so used to the truly dry performances of the last two movies. I don't know. I'll have to rewatch it again.
Now, the Jedi sounded like Jedi. They were dry, boring people. Palpatine sounded like the evil politician. Anakin sounded like the angst-ridden Knight that he was. Padme, well, Natalie Portman could've done a bit better job, but she wasn't that bad. Besides, some of the emotion was best conveyed through the actor's facial expressions and body movements. You could see the sheer terror in Count Dooku's face when Palpatine tells Anakin to kill him, you can see the tears in everyone's faces, I don't know. It just seemed right. Besides, even in a technologically superior civilization, people are still just people.
Now, on the technologically advanced society compared to the stuff we see in the Original Trilogy, well the point was to show that the Republic was the good old days, but when the Empire came, everything became utilitarian. Of course everything seemed down to earth in the original trilogy. Lucas didn't have the budget and technology to do the fantastic. That's why he's been revising with the special editions since 1997. But there's a difference between the situations and settings between the two movies. Episode I and II did keep the same Tatooine feeling from the original movies. Hell, they rebuilt the Lars Homestead for Episode II. The Original Trilogy, however, was about the ragtag Rebels and their fight for Freedom. They had to scavage and cobble together everything because they didn't have anything. The Prequel Trilogy, on the otherhand, was about Anakin in the Republic Era where everything was provided by the government, the cities were clean, the weapons are new, and the Jedi were still around keeping the peace. There's supposed to be that difference.
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Post by Craze on May 22, 2005 15:32:46 GMT -5
Ay, I can see that now, how there's the differance and how most characters hit their supposed marks.
*Shrugs*
Just wasn't a movie for me I guess.
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Post by Raz V5.0 on May 22, 2005 16:02:41 GMT -5
Ay, I can see that now, how there's the differance and how most characters hit their supposed marks. *Shrugs* Just wasn't a movie for me I guess. To be fair, you do like movies like Punch Drunk Love. Obviously you are going to have a slightly... disoriented point of few from the rest of us. Anycrap, I saw it opening night. First showing. Fantastic movie. I can't even describe it.
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Post by Triyun on May 24, 2005 16:47:53 GMT -5
Portman had good acting up till now.
I'll maintain that why I disliked Anakin and Padme's dialogue. After seeing it a second time especially Palpatine was the bomb in terms of his lines. His level of awesomeness is at its highest in Episode III.
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Post by Xtermo on May 27, 2005 14:47:28 GMT -5
And now for Xtermo's Guide to Revenge of the Sith:
This movie opens with what may be the best reveal ever, panning around a capital ship, following two fighters, only to show a HUGE dogfight on the far side of the ship when it gets there.
General Grevious is depicted as a sickly, nearly dead anyways adversary, and that can detract from the feel of danger, right up to the point where he goes 4-saber on Obi Wan. That was pretty sweet. And good ol' Kenobi didn't lose his cool at all.
Palpatine in this movie should have had all his lines replaced with a blinking neon sign that says "I AM EVIL." right above his head.
Anakin's turn to the Dark Side would have been more believable if: 1.) Hayden were better at portraying angst. He kinda just makes a face and talks louder when he's in touch with the Dark Side. 2.) The transition were a little smoother. He goes back and forth internally the whole movie, regretting killing Sarum- I mean... Douku, telling on Palpatine, then saving him, and eventually, at the end, he gives a cliche "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" and becomes hopelessly evil.
Speaking of Hayden- Seriously, those love scenes were decently written, well-directed, but somehow still feel weird what with the way they were acted. It just seemed odd to me to have a character "take a break" from turning evil for a love-story moment with "presto-chango" as the subscript of the entire conversation. They're not bad, but they could have been soooooo much better.
The battles in this movie are gigantic and nearly nonstop. The violence and darkness factor are highly increased over past Star Wars movies, and, although it's sweet, they push it to a degree that will make it hard for the younglings to enjoy. Especially once Palpatine is revealed. Him getting messed up and Anakin being horribly burned on-screen were visually interesting additions and added to the darkness factor, but are too much for the kiddies in general.
Stylisticly, this movie takes every step needed to make a connection between the look of Eps. I and II, and the original IV-VI. From shying away musically from "Dual of the Fates" to the clone troopers' armor being modded to be a design between the original armor and classic Stormtrooper armor, to Obi Wan growing out his beard into the more familiar shape first seen in A New Hope, things have come full-circle.
The angle wipes really get old after about an hour. I mean, seriously- I don't need a fancy transition every 10 minutes to point out that there has been a scene change, let alone one of 3 variations of the exact same kind of transition.
Also, there's an aweful lot of "in case you're a dumbass" lines in this movie. These are lines that have no purpose other than to tell Joe Slow what is going on in the plot, because he just can't handle taking in the information by watching the movie. Example: Mace saying, "I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi..." Come on. I could see him saying, "I sense the Jedi will soon face great evil," or, "I sense that danger is coming," maybe, but instead he spells it out for the kid who missed the first half of the movie making out with his Red Vines. Another great example is Yoda verbally pointing out his failure and saying he must go into exile. There's a way to describe the plot from within a movie, but having characters say it as a part of a conversation is not it.
This movie, aside from some overlookable things I pointed out above is totally badass. I mean, I may complain above, but none of those things really ruins the movie. It's just something that I would have tried to handle differently if for some reason I were in charge. That said, there was one thing that bothered me about the movie, and that's the GLARING, INSANE PLOTHOLE.
Riddle me this, George Lucas: If Padme dies in childbirth, then how does Leia have childhood memories of her? Killing her then was not only unneccissary for plot development in Revenge of the Sith, but borders on wrecking a perfectly good character development point in Return of the Jedi. I just don't get it.
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Great: I would definately reccomend seeing this movie. While perhaps not an "instant classic" it totally rocks and is well worth seeing more than once, if you have the means to do so.
Anywho, I guess that's about it. Maybe I'll have some more to add after seeing this again. (And, barring my horriblly gruesome, untimely death, you can bet that I'll be seeing it again soon.)
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