Velesia
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Post by Velesia on Jun 2, 2004 10:58:39 GMT -5
I have a simple way to end this mess over the names. If they just did this, there would be no problem. Leave 'marriage' as a religous term ONLY, no connection to the government. If you want a religion to recognize your couple, you get a marriage. If you want the Government to recognize your couple, you get a Civil Union, that would have all the legal benefits and such. This way, the legal definition and the religious definition have seperate terms, and no religion is 'forced' to recognize a homosexual marriage if they don't want to. Obviously, a religious straight couple would get both documents, while a homosexual would only get the legal since we can't force a religion to recognize it if they don't want to. Yatta. Thanks for stealing my thunder, MR. (mubles something incoherent about her server) And it's lenient, C8 As for the majority of Christians looking down on homosexuals, ok, I don't know the stats on this, be we all know where I stand, and I'd be one hell of a hypocrite if I "looked down" on them.
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Post by Meyo-san on Jun 2, 2004 17:08:47 GMT -5
Well, Vel, that wouldn't make you just a hypocrite, that would make you a politician too, heh, j/k.
Anyway, the meaning of marriages is dead now, anyway, a lot of marriages end in divorce instead of death. Look at celebrity marriages! Many of them get married, and then divorcing their supposed loved ones for someone else. And after that, people are saying that homosexuals don't have a right to be married when people end a life-long commitment in only a few years?
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Post by Juan on Jun 2, 2004 21:24:20 GMT -5
Random Fact: The breakup rate amung homosexuals is like 60% more than straight people
No wonder divorce lawyers are pushing for gay marriages, hehe. Seriously.
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Post by Mega Raptor on Jun 3, 2004 1:44:37 GMT -5
Yeah, you see Zorak, the thing about that is, that homosexual relationships generally have more strain on them than a straight couple. I mean, societal abuse, lack of recognition, lack of benefits, etc. It's kinda hard to get a relationship to last long when just about everything works against it.
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Post by Juan on Jun 3, 2004 10:59:45 GMT -5
True, but I'm just saying that its a bit funny how divorce lawyers are a big pusher for it, hehe.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 3, 2004 17:27:25 GMT -5
Actually, I bet Zorak's right for the most part (even if he was joking). Nobody thinks about anyone but themselves, these days. All everyone thinks about is what will make them money...
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Velesia
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Post by Velesia on Jun 8, 2004 19:47:55 GMT -5
Yeah, you see Zorak, the thing about that is, that homosexual relationships generally have more strain on them than a straight couple. I mean, societal abuse, lack of recognition, lack of benefits, etc. It's kinda hard to get a relationship to last long when just about everything works against it. Another problem gay/lesbian couples run into is in each-other. If one of the people in the relationship is uncomfortable with or hasn't come to terms with their nature (per-se) that adds extra strain.
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Post by Meyo-san on Jun 9, 2004 17:44:00 GMT -5
To be honest, even if it is made into a law that homosexual marriages are legal, it's not going to be enough, people need to change, and that is not going to be easy, unless if you want to brainwash them, then you've got problems amongst the people not being able to trust their government even more.
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Post by Velesia on Jun 9, 2004 18:49:29 GMT -5
Then don't brainwash them: give them time. I've heard this topic (of the legality of homosexual marriages) termed as the next civil rights movement, compared to the one in the sixties to gain black rights. Back then the south was still extremely segregated in certain areas, and people like Martin Luther King had to convince people to take a chance and take a stand. They're taking their stand, and luckily they haven't suffered as the blacks have (physically) (yet), but in time I believe that that prejudice will die out just as the negative pre-dispositions about african-americans did. Oh they aren't gone, that's what the extreme wings are for, but they've largely abated, and that's what the country needs.
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Post by dragonclaw15 on Jun 9, 2004 20:23:11 GMT -5
I may be pulling this out of my ass here, but is it possible that gays want to get married not for the religious recognition, but for the experience of getting married in a church/cathedral/etc.?
I mean, I'm atheist, but that doesn't mean I won't put my religion (or lack of one) aside to have a ceremony in a church if my partner and I decided we wanted one. It's just the experience, I think.
Sorry if that made no sense or was just flat out wrong, I'm not too knowledgeable about this.
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Post by Velesia on Jun 10, 2004 20:40:51 GMT -5
It's ok, don't apologize DC - it's a good point. Personally I could care less if a same-sex couple got married in the same cathedral I did. Marriage (as I see it) can be whatever people make it to be. I find it to be both religious and a tying of people. *shrugs* be we all know why that's my opinion.
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Post by DarkAries on Jun 10, 2004 21:20:22 GMT -5
Homosexual relationships do NOT bother Aries. Aries can't understand why everyone is making such a big deal over it, and by 'everyone', Aries means society, of course...
Y'love who y'love, and Aries is especially not one to mess with something as really, really cool as love (just take a sentimental moment to think about that...doesn't love just rock?!) so Aries lets it alone. Your lifestyle is your lifestyle. Just don't give Aries any unwarranted details about the private processes of a homosexual relationship, okay?
Do what thou willst. Get married in a Methodist church if you like. Exchange vows jumping off an airplane wing.
Aries really thinks that homosexual couples should have the same rights as a heterosexual one...so they'll stop complaining and Aries won't have to HEAR about it anymore.
Yes, you're here, you're queer, Aries is used to it, go away. Y'know? Franchise should be given out so that the normal public will have less of a headache over it!
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Post by ThoughtShift on Jun 11, 2004 23:39:34 GMT -5
Velesia: Why would you get married to a member of the same sex if you haven't come to terms with your homosexuality? Seems kinda funny to me. 2nd: They haven't suffered? I got my ass beat by five guys and then pissed on just because they THOUGHT I was homosexual. I've known girls getting raped and then tortured and abused because they're lesbians, guys have actually been rendered sterile because of the abuse to their testicles by other guys when they found out they were gay, and people have DIED just because they are gay. And you say they don't suffer?
But, with the bigots we have in our society, people that normally would accept them don't, because they fear that they won't be accepted either. Thanks, George W. Bush! Ronald Reagan! Pat Robertson!
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Post by Juan on Jun 12, 2004 0:12:03 GMT -5
Most arguements of Civil Rights from Civil Rights groups are seriously causing more problems for the said group. Really. If you say your a minority, you will be treated as one.
It still makes me funny wondering the looks people would have on their faces if Irish people would start ranting on about their unfair treatment in our nation for the life of our nation, heh. I could see two people looking at each other with eyebrows raised like "... eh? The fuck?" Seriously. I think that this whole problems of group problems would be alot easier if people were raised seeing the people of America and the world just as that, Americans and people of the world. Distinguishing people into different labeled groups makes these groups stick out.
And please people, if this arguement sounds unrelated or unbacked and thoroughly stupid, its because I'm on medicine thats about to drop me into bed in ten seconds.
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Post by Wag - Now And Forever on Jun 12, 2004 2:20:58 GMT -5
I could see two people looking at each other with eyebrows raised like "... eh? The fuck?" And I am one of those people, only it was my response to the post.
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