Steel vs Aries

[Centurimon]

Zorak said:

Actually Steel, you never said you grabbed the right arm. Aries was going by the fact that any sort of block you made pushing back his arm would be diminished by the fact that you are so much bigger than him, making it so that he could easily weasel his arm back faster than you could set up a second block. Your a hell of a lot larger than him, which is a disadvantage to you at close range.

*cleans Zorak's glasses*

Zorak, read something correctly for just one time. Aries himself in his post never even mentioned weaseling his arm back, rather, it just kept going on an insignificantly altered course. And yes, he did state he grabbed BOTH arms, which by extension means both the left AND right arms.

In which case, however, all three of you are right on certain points. Yes, in melee, smaller is better in somecases, then again, a Serpent is rather...bulky. Irrelevant mostly against such a large suit, but still something all parties should keep in mind.

Would Steel have enough time to block? Not completely. Would Aries' stab go clean through the cockpit? Not a chance in Hell. Why? Simple. Steel, the handguard of a bazooka is not sufficient to clip the arm of a Serpent off-course. Remember when I said it was bulky? That means it's got mass, which means it takes a bit of mass to move. More mass than an ejected grip has. However, the fact that the grip hit at all (as Aries posted) means his arm is prtactically in contact with your own, which means your arm was plenty close enough to grab and to block. I also remind all of this line:

This gave Steel enough time for him to reach out with the right hand and grab the arm at the Elbow, clear from the Army Knife, even if Aries span the Army Knife round.

In it, he mentions grabbing the arm at the elbow. True, he failed to clairify, but by common sense in that he's referring to the army knife, take a wild guess at which arm he's referring to?

And since Aries himself admitted that he pressed his arm on and quite frankly, he's also right that the grip of the bazooka would do shit to stop his arm, it's entirely plausible for the Sovereign to have grabbed the elbow of the Hyper Serpent.

However, the knife would still be slightly stuck in the torso, none can move that fast considering the range and the fact that the arm was stopped at the elbow. But it wouldn't breach the cockpit, cause the arm WAS stopped.

That is all.

*bows*

Good day.

[DarkAries]

(You forget, Retal, Aries's arms were damaged. The armor's been practically stripped off. Aries figures that gives a little room to maneuver.)

(In either case, because the Sovereign's so damn heavy, it'd take a lot of torque to move those heavy limbs. Lotta torque means lotta power AND a lot of time. And we're going from a firing position to a grappling position? Anybody ever try to do that with a Master Grade Gundam kit? Sometimes you can't even get the arm around to the right point!)

(Steel may have grabbed Aries's elbow...but at what range? For all we can tell, he grabbed it AFTER the knife already went in. And Aries was at very close range. He was leaning on that Gundam's left side, for Heaven's sake. So not only is that practically zero time to react, that's no time combined with a short distance to cover.)

(Also, Van, how do you THINK people get killed in these things? The last move is always something of a sanctioned godmode. Otherwise we get two people trying to make theirs the last move, last move overlapping last move, again and again and again until somebody gets sick of it, just like we almost had here.)

(But, then, if Aries were to buy into what you're saying, Retal, theoretically, Aries could make a kill by buying himself a second somehow, disorienting the Gundam, then dragging that knife laterally instead of vertically, across the cockpit, and thereby shred the pilot?)

[Centurimon]

Ninja said:

(You forget, Retal, Aries's arms were damaged. The armor's been practically stripped off. Aries figures that gives a little room to maneuver.)

Not really.

(In either case, because the Sovereign's so damn heavy, it'd take a lot of torque to move those heavy limbs. Lotta torque means lotta power AND a lot of time.)

At that close of a range, considering his arm is already extended and yours is moving past his? Uhhh...no.

(Steel may have grabbed Aries's elbow...but at what range? For all we can tell, he grabbed it AFTER the knife already went in. And Aries was at very close range. He was leaning on that Gundam's left side, for Heaven's sake. So not only is that practically zero time to react, that's no time combined with a short distance to cover.)

Your arm was already at elbow length with his hand. Your speed is a double-edged sword in this scenario, Aries.

(Also, Van, how do you THINK people get killed in these things? The last move is always something of a sanctioned godmode. Otherwise we get two people trying to make theirs the last move, last move overlapping last move, again and again and again until somebody gets sick of it, just like we almost had here.)

That's not my turf to cover...

(But, then, theoretically, Retal, Aries could make a kill by buying himself a second somehow, disorienting the Gundam, then dragging that knife laterally instead of vertically, across the cockpit, and thereby shred the pilot?)

Yes, you could. But could that last move actually kill Steel off? No. Could you just boost forwards and stab it through the remainer of his cockpit? Sure. But that last move alone ain't enough.

[Steel]

(Also, Van, how do you THINK people get killed in these things? The last move is always something of a sanctioned godmode. Otherwise we get two people trying to make theirs the last move, last move overlapping last move, again and again and again until somebody gets sick of it, just like we almost had here.)

I was refering to the moving part of your arms, Aries...

(You forget, Retal, Aries's arms were damaged. The armor's been practically stripped off. Aries figures that gives a little room to maneuver.)

That is rather pathetic how you said that, no offense Aries. But they are damaged. Damage would of been done to the servos and manipulators no matter what if the armour is shreded, the arm internals would be damaged badly too.

[DarkAries]

(God, Aries hates fights like this.)

(Aries COULD abuse his mod powers here, but Aries'll let another mod do that for him.)

(And after this, Aries is gonna sit down and have a SERIOUS discussion with the other mods regarding the difference between a kill post and a godmode.)

[Centurimon]

Ninja said:

(God, Aries hates fights like this.)

(Aries COULD abuse his mod powers here, but Aries'll let another mod do that for him.)

(And after this, Aries is gonna sit down and have a SERIOUS discussion with the other mods regarding the difference between a kill post and a godmode.)

Aries, what you did wasn't a godmod...*glares at Steel once again for opening his mouth*

But it WAS countered.

EDIT:

*sigh*

On second thought, forget it. I almost forgot where I was...

[DarkAries]

(So, what, Aries got him or something?)

(*wonders why he, a mod, is consulting Retal on this...and starts banging his head on his keyboard for how weird the world is sometimes...*)

[Centurimon]

Ninja said:

(So, what, Aries got him or something?)

(*wonders why he, a mod, is consulting Retal on this...and starts banging his head on his keyboard for how weird the world is sometimes...*)

Aries, it's a simple thing here. Without starting an arguement, let me outline how I see this for you:

Steel got lucky, and has narrowly avoided death that move. Now, however, were you to so much as sneeze your army knife would go straight through his cockpit, THEN you'd have got him.

Not one thing in your move was really godmodding. But then again, nothing in Steel's move was impossible either. And since your knife is stuck in him anyway were you to go with what i'm saying here, you've got the option of -one way or another- ending this in the next move. Either you dies, he dies, both dies, I don't know. That's up to the two of you to figure out.

Either way, just one more move will decide this fight. That's all you need to do is just expand your move that little bit, and you can have your win without calling the mod squad down on Steel's head. It's up to you.

[Wag - Now And Forever]

Ninja said:

(Also, Van, how do you THINK people get killed in these things? The last move is always something of a sanctioned godmode. Otherwise we get two people trying to make theirs the last move, last move overlapping last move, again and again and again until somebody gets sick of it, just like we almost had here.)

In essence, setting up a kill shot is a series of posts in which you cut down your opponents options to the point at which you put them in an inescapable position wherein you can either deliver a single killing blow, or a decicive blow that will permanently tip the scales of the battle in your favor (cutting off an arm / head in a MS Battle, or puncturing internal organs / massive wounds in a normal melee).

In either form of combat, remember that you're posting on a message board. The victor will be the person with the best strategy, as well as the person who sees his opponents mistakes and weaknesses the best, while minimizing their own vulnerabilities.

For instance. If I were fighting in space using a larger, slower MS against somthing smaller and faster, I would use weapons that covered a large area or had lock on. Stuff like funnels, 108 micromissiles, gatling guns / beam shotguns / beam repeaters. In other words - suppression weapons to not let somthing like that get close. As long as I kept it at a distance, my larger MS with it's large amounts of heavier, stronger ordinance would have a better chance of winning. But this is just an example of strategy...

As in a chess match, when the game begins to get to a close, the king can be put into check many times before the final checkmate. A "good RPer" never gives up, and can escape check multiple times before finally being brought down. But then again, a good RPer accepts defeat when they know are beaten.

[DarkAries]

(But they're a little more creative than 'Oh, that would have worked but...' Y'know?)

[Centurimon]

Ninja said:

(But they're a little more creative than 'Oh, that would have worked but...' Y'know?)

Well, therein lies the problem with every message board RPG out there. What's the limit to how far you can go to get out of a kill move and the situation your opponent tries to put you in? In my case, I pretty much do everything and anything I can. But dispite the belief of many to the contrary, I do try and stay within (barely) reasonable limits.

Still, physics is always a good judge of just how far you can push the envelope, Aries. And in this case, physics works both for and against the both of you. But I already went over that above. And nothing more can be elaborated on that. Instead, i'll just reinforce some points that Wag made. Namely the fact that you can perform several kill moves before your opponent finally goes down.

You literally have Steel by the edge of a knife. One, two more moves, both of which could be attempted kill moves, both of which, at this point, would really be pretty hard to dodge. But, dodge they still can, but kill Steel you still can. Jut because one move got voided doesn't mean you can't just move on and finish him off later...

Course, same is true for him too...

[Steel]

Poke Aries.

Are you gonna continue this or not?

[Aegis]

Technically speaking, the last move was your's, Steel.

[DarkAries]

(No, he's right, it's Aries's move.)

(And you can wait, Little Grasshopper.)

[Steel]

Well, you should be able to reply to this soon with a move if you can reply to other things.