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Post by Raz V5.0 on May 3, 2004 20:08:19 GMT -5
Considering that your board had a prime of, what, 1 member on at a time? My board was an RPG though, and didn't last long at that. But at least I didn't rule with a Neo-Fascist rule.
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Post by Mikaru on May 3, 2004 20:38:59 GMT -5
Yeah, the board's a little glitchy. It's also free, so considering that, I don't think anyone really cares about a small problem here and there.
I'm for a new name. Though I have fond memories of MSPB, we can't live in the past. And plus I think we have all "evolved" beyond Mobile Suits, and have found many other mecha in anime that we like. So I have thought of this name for our new home.
The Mecha Pilot's Bar[/b][/i]
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Post by Ai on May 3, 2004 20:44:58 GMT -5
...I like it.
Claps lightly.
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Post by Centurimon on May 3, 2004 20:46:12 GMT -5
...I like it. Claps lightly.*joins clapping*
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Post by Wag - Now And Forever on May 3, 2004 21:11:18 GMT -5
It all depends on the definition of a good board. Spock: "Captian, it appears I've discovered an anomaly." Kirk: "Put it on screen..." *Mav's face shows up* Kirk: "My God...it's..." Spock: "Indeed it is Captian...it is the epitome of all that is illogical." Kirk: "But didn't Wag post 'MSPB Drama - Somthing For Everyone', and specifically ask Mav to read it? The ideal moderation structure was clearly outlined in it..." Spock: "Indeed it was Captian, however, I observed that Mav likely did not read it, or perhaps instead chose to ignore it. It was after all, his board." Kirk: "Right you are Lt. Spock...it's Mav's board, and he can do anything he wants." Spock: "But I need remind you captian, if people dislike his moderation, they are free to leave and do as they wish." Kirk: "Yes they are...and it appears they did so. Why then is it he feels the need to now come to their new home and bother them?" Spock: "As I said Captian...he is highly illogical." Kirk: "...Indeed."
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Post by Meyo-san on May 3, 2004 21:35:33 GMT -5
Just those I don't like Wag, just those I don't like.
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Post by The Fighting Libra on May 4, 2004 3:52:31 GMT -5
Okay, here's my insights on the whole thing.
Mikaru, I like that name. It's a good variation.
Now on to my rant...
I really don't care if this board is glitchy. It's a fair trade off. With all due respect, this move was like moving from the old USSR to England, or jumping the border from Mexico to the US, or something like that. Sure, we were fine where we were, but there were just some things that made us have to get out. Things we all couldn't tolerate, for one thing or another. This new place we arrived at may not be the cream of the crop, but we will enjoy it and will do whatever it takes as a whole to damn well make it worth our while. Before someone brings up the fact that some of the mods and admins held positions at the old MSPB... let me say this. The mods and admins here WERE the people once, and were the people who wished to have their voices heard. Perhaps their voices were heard, but just not acknowledged. There is no doubt in my mind that we will now have the member cleanup of inactive members, that we will have fair trials of the sort, and that we will finally enjoy ourselves to the fullest extent.
Mav, what didn't you like about Wag's "ideal moderation"? Was it because it opened up more power to others, or was it because you didn't think of it? We understand that it was YOUR board, but keep this in mind. Bending for little things is not you caving in and us walking all over you. Bending for little things is showing that you are taking things into consideration, that you are willing to try something new for the better, and that you are actually hearing us out.
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Post by ThoughtShift on May 4, 2004 10:20:39 GMT -5
The thing is, Maverick came up with the board. If you're going to rip off his idea, at least come up with an original name.
It's true that a place such as this is defined by it's patrons, much like, say...a home is defined by the family that lives in it. But does not someone still own that home?
Maverick owned that bar, from what I understand. And also, from what I understand, you are ripping off his idea. He made a place for you all to go after what happened at AX and GundanWatch.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but he did you a favor, didn't he? And you are all so absorbed in your ideals of "Equality everywhere" that you hated him because he ran a messageboard the way it was meant to be run.
I've been around a little while, and he was doing a good job. He enforced the rules, he made decisions, and he did a lot of things as admin for the bar while holding a job and having a pretty busy life.
Come up with a new name, at least. Accept that you are stealing someone else's idea and...just don't. Change the name and feel better.
Sorry if I stick my nose where it does not belong. I've been known to do that.
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Post by Wag - Now And Forever on May 4, 2004 11:32:35 GMT -5
The MSPB might have been Mav's creation, and if you want to say he "owns" that name, then sure, he can lay claim to that all day long. However, once the MSPB became a community, it ceased to belong to him. No one can "own" a community, as seen in the reason for the exodus. If Mav owned the community, then he could just force us all to do whatever he wanted, but obviously that's not the case. I think I remember Mav in a conversation just after it happened stating "posts don't matter". Exactly, they don't. What matters is the bonds that exist between the members. No one "owns" that. The only portion of the MSPB Mav owned was the website, and now it itself has changed.
It's not "ripping off someone's idea", it's taking somthing away from someone who doesn't appreciate it as much as the collective whole. And if Mav did[/b] appreciate it, then he damn well wasn't doing a good job of showing it. I'm still for changing the name because the community has changed and evolved, not because we "ripped off and stole Mav's idea and ran away with it haha now it's ours".
Please, please, please, please if you still don't understand any of this, just try to grasp this one thing. The people of the MSPB as a majority did not like the way things were over there - Accept that. The consequences of this going on as long as it did led to what happened. If one person decides to stop patronizing a message board or go off and make their own, then 90% of the time, no one really cares. Why then is it different when a large group of people decided to do that same that there was a massive upheval? Regardless, there's no turning back now. Nothing will change what has happened.
My suggestion to you Mav, is to either just stop posting here altogether or accept what happened and go in living. I'm sure none of the moderation or admin mind your presence as long as you keep it civil.
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Post by DarkAries on May 4, 2004 19:46:48 GMT -5
He's right. This does belong to all of us, and we as a community have the right to name to community whatever the hell we want.
Aries'll be the first to agree that this is NOT the old Bar anymore. However, this IS the Bar. As such, Aries thinks we need to honor where we've been and where we are. The only real way to do that is a slight variation on the present name, the inclusion of a word to seperate one from the other, Aries doesn't know what.
Aries personally thinks that Mav should be completely bloody honored that we've decided to keep his ideal running despite the fact that it's A) no longer his, B) no longer his priority, C) been taken up by people more competant than he, D) APPRECIATED by people more competant than he, and E) OUR ideal now. This doesn't belong to one man, one Patron. This belongs to ALL Patrons, goddang it.
This is OURS now, because WE appreciate it. WE love it. WE want to see it grow. And suddenly we're being told that since it "belonged" first to one Patron, we can't do anything about it?
PATRONS are the Bar. And other than ourselves, think about it, is there really anything that can regulate us, stop us? Nope. That can be taken to extremes on one end, or go unused on another, but we can effectively do whatever the bloody hell we like around here.
And for how much Aries really hates to say it himself, Mav is, in his own way, a Patron. People can listen to him, sure, but he has no more power here than a normal Patron like Mikaru or Leebie might.
Mav's got his, and we got ours. Easy as that. And Patrons can come and go as they please to wherever they please, so he can get the hell over it.
But a board is a board. It's the PATRONS that make the MSPB. And hell if Aries doesn't say it, most of the Patrons are now HERE.
Making THIS the MSPB, effectively.
Mav is one Patron. One means nothing, just about. ALL...heh...now we're getting somewhere.
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Post by Cygnus X-1 on May 4, 2004 20:13:53 GMT -5
That's all so true, but I believe that we must honor the votes.
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Post by Centurimon on May 4, 2004 20:16:11 GMT -5
That's all so true, but I believe that we must honor the votes. Must we? I realize I'm one of the youngest members here, but I'm kinda not liking the idea of the 'Mecha Pilots Bar' or anything else... If we are going to change the name, then it should NOT have the contraction MSPB.
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Post by Mega Raptor on May 4, 2004 20:38:14 GMT -5
Like I said, if you've got any good ideas for a name, feel free to post them.
After all, it looks like the majority would be for a name change anyway.
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Post by Juan on May 4, 2004 20:57:10 GMT -5
Plus as I do believe, if admins shame their eyes towards this, we could merely take this as the in the sense 'Popular vote', while Mods form the electoral vote on it. But alas, yeah.
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Post by Mega Raptor on May 4, 2004 20:58:14 GMT -5
You forget, Zorak. I wanted to change the name since I got here anyway. I just wanted to see what the opinion of everyone else was first.
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