GB left GW

[Return of the Peacecraft]

Yeah, I know, right now you're probably thinking "hallelujah", I was picturing the celebration scenes from the end of ROTJ when I first heard it.

However, while the old man is gone, he left Zeonic Marine in his place, and the new scum isn't any different from the old. I dropped a nice little message for them on the new forums at gundwatch.net, and he sure enough deleted it, sending me the mail in the "I've got you on all points" format that probably takes them a good half hour to think up so they can sound like they're better thanyou, even though we all know they sound like some old man pissed off that the store ran out of tapioca. At least I got my word in, anyone wanna see it?

I figured you'd want to hear the "news" if you haven't already.

[Juan]

Aye, indeed. I assign you new Semi Director of "Recruiting all your GW buddies to join us".

Its the same as being a normal member, except you get to do work for me and get a sense of job satisfaction.

Get working you! Mush!

[Return of the Peacecraft]

I'd love to if it weren't for the fact that:

1.) Most of them are already here

2.) I can't get on the forum anymore.

and they think they're better than us.

Anyone wanna see the message I wrote, I saved it.

[Black Ace]

Why not let us see it, then?

[Draco Starcloud]

Psh. I knew the old guard is just like the guard but with a new name since Day 1.

For all I can tell, all that happened was GW switched servers and GrayBear changed his name to ZeonicMarine.

[Return of the Peacecraft]

Here's what I said:

"It pleases me to be the first to say:

We're Free!!!!!

*Celebration scenes from the end of Return of the Jedi are shown*

Now, onto seriousness. From what I've heard, things haven't much changed since I left here about 3 or 4 years ago, aside from new members coming and old members going. In that light, I acknowledge that some of you know me, and some of you don't, therefore I will reintroduce myself.

I am Milliardo Peacecraft. Otherwise known here by some as Milly. I'm among those who are from Gundam Project, a haven that GB and the rest of Gundam Watch could only dream of recereating. A few years ago, I was banned from here, guilty engaging in "forum politics", otherwise known as debating with the forum staff of admins and mods, something usually in the norm on most other forums (especially if you've ever been to http://www.nightly.net). However, I know that this place isn't most other boards. I know that GB, GW's now retired dictator, was appreciated by most here (at least those so far in this thread). Now that he's gone, GW now has the opportunity to start anew. While there are those that may disagree with me, there are several who will agree that this place, with all of its rules and its secret police, was never the happy and perfect place it tried to be. There was corruption throughout the staff, as well as hypocrisy and contradiction. To the open public, GB granted several of us who were banned, myself included, an act of amnesty, stating our bans were lifted. Such a nice guy he seemed to come off as, right? I was never informed about it until a year or so after the announcement had been made, and I still didn't come back. Things weren't played out fair, it was always his way. He's finally gone. Our first amendment rights have been reinstated with his leaving. Now, as I'm here now typing, there's a hope in my mind that mends can now finally take place.

Everyone here can now stop living like it's 1984*. This place now has the potential to be a forum where people can freely speak their mind without having to fear being punished for their opinion being different from those who were in charge, and no longer have to suffer the wrath of a mod who's had a bad day.

We tried to recreate the friendly world we knew as Gundam Project when this place was first established. But now, as the sun shines through the clouds and the darkness ends, I believe we've learned that something so "perfect", as Mark put it, can't truly be recreated. Let's not repeat the same mistake; Rather, let's create a place where we remember Gundam Project, but continue into a bright future. I don't know why GB left, as well as Tiakall and Khandreia. I may even be banned for saying this, and this message may be erased before many can lay eyes upon it. This may even be a trick just to see who was loyal and who wasn't. I'm a different person than I was those few years ago. I didn't come here to insult anyone, or instigate . Instead, I came to give my word on his departure, the word of someone on the other side of the fence, that knew a different GB than most of the others here. If possible, I'm willing to be here to guide the new GW so that it can become a haven of its own, in all senses of the word.

To the staff. I've said what I came here to say, you can do what you want and I won't try to rebel.

[/li][li] "

And the mail that Scumbag 2 sent:

"Milliardo Peacecraft,

Zeonic Marine has sent you this email from www.gundamwatch.net/invision/index.php.


It would appear that old habits die hard.

I removed your tasteless post from my forums. The same rules apply on these forums that applied on the old ones as I helped create and enforce those rules. Perhaps you missed my welcome post making this perfectly clear. I won't bother listing the rules you broke because you obviously have no interest in following them.

I'm not going to humor taking cheap shots at former webmasters and administrators. You are still playing forum politics and in your first post no less. Again, you still fail to acknowledge any reason for being banned from the previous forums. It is of little matter really.

This is my dime and my website, your "right" to be snide towards a person who recognized your bad attitude doesn't exist. Your criticism of site policy, enforcement as well as the attitude of the mods is of no importance since we have many who post here freely and enjoy themselves even if they do not agree with the staff. I won't allow people with an axe to grind a place where they can dump their burden on the other members especially at the expense of those who work so hard in this community.

You commented that you are a "different person" now, yet you display no proof of this.

"I didn't come here to insult anyone, or instigate."

Yes, you did and your attempt failed.

"I came to give my word on his departure, the word of someone on the other side of the fence, that knew a different GB than most of the others here. If possible, I'm willing to be here to guide the new GW so that it can become a haven of its own, in all senses of the word."

This website can exist just fine without your "guidance" and our path and direction are clear. The sad fact is, this place is a haven, from those seeking to be petty and rude. Your banning bears this out.

"I won't try to rebel"

You already have, but it didn't work. I however, unlike GB, won't offer you the amnesty you treated with such disdain. I have no patience for this type of behavior so I will put your mind at ease by relieving you of the burden of posting here any further."



Heavens, the gov't sure does hate being corrected. If my attempt failed, why then was he trying so hard to put me down?

[Black Ace]

Whoo. You honestly don't know what it feels like to be a site administrator or moderator. Let me start out by saying this: I never went to Gundam Watch. I never went to Gundam Project. I did, however, go to G.com and AX, where many of the things you describe also happened there. It also happened to a lesser degree on my first board, Colony (sadly, it no longer exists, as the store that it was being funded by shut down, and thus there was no reason to keep the board running).

First off, I'm guilty of being a site disturber. On a particularly bad day, I insulted an idiot and lost my place as semi-respected member of the G.com and AX forums. But, such is life. Second: I've been a moderator on a few message boards (most notably, I think, Zeon Hunter and Colony), and it's a damned hard job (even on a small board such as ZH, but, then again, one idiot made up for all the rest). These people are only human, and they have to deal with idiots of half of your[/u][/b] intellegence every day. These people have to repeatedly take complaints until they burst, and that's not fair. You're not making their jobs any easier by disagreeing with the things they set in stone. I can imagine that it must have been quite an infraction of the rules on your part in the first place, otherwise you'd have never gotten banned. Arguing with the Mods is one thing, but arguing[/u][/b] with is quite a different thing (if you get what I'm saying). So, trying to spew a new "I'm so high and mighty now that the old regime is gone!" isn't a very good thing to do. Saying that Gundam Project was "a haven that GB and the rest of GW could only dream of creating" wasn't cool, either. These people obviously had to deal with you once, but twice? That's bad. (I can only imagine what life would have been like if Char999 had decided to "grace" us with his prescence a second time.) It's different when you're a regular member, but when you're a Moderator or Administrator, you see things from a very different view. And sometimes having strict rules is the only way a board can function. They're dictatorships and regimes, not democracies. Try a board that works democratically, and I'll tell you how it'll turn into before it withers and dies. In fact, this is the closest to a democratic board that I've ever seen, and it still has its hinges. I'm sure there are still "board politics" behind the scenes, but at least nobody states them flat-out. Maybe a lot of them learned their[/u][/b] lesson the first time...

[Return of the Peacecraft]

Be that as it may, I know how it is to be in charge of a group on people (If anyone here plays at www.mechg.com, my ID is 1211). And to say the least I have never ever had to go to such measures to keep it down, because yes, there are forums on the site, and being the leader of my clan, I have to manage it as much as the next guy would theirs, I got my Forum Mod badge for Boy Scouts. People just automatically like me, unless I'm denying them their position of power (like some people I've had to kick from my clan, as well as GB, ZM, the rest of the mod squad). If I'm too much for them to control, then it's not my problem. Saying Gundam Project was a haven they could only dream of copying may have been "not cold", but it's the truth no matter how many ways to try to look at it.

It's like how it happened in Star Wars and the novles to follow. Once the Empire fell, the remnants all tried to take over and rebuild the Empire, however none of them were as strong or unified as the original. As well, the galaxy went into chaos some years later, without Palpatine running things. Same thing with then Gundam Project went down.

To date, this is the only place with people from Gundam Project that I can truly say is closest to the original. The others suck. Off their high horses they're to fall.

[Fireball]

Milly, I don't know if you met me at Gundam Project, yet I admired you there and at GW. I did not even see your post at GW. I was happy for once there. I had my fanfiction, GB was gone, and Alpha was there. And it was still a smart place to discuss Gundam. Yet we do have consequences. Mrs. GB is gone, as is her great story. And we still have the remainder of the fascist, evil, sickening, great writers, staff. I must say I am on my guard the whole time there. I have received many, many PMs from GB about my posts when I expressed my true beliefs, was grounded twice for about four months each.

I agree with you, although I shall remain to carry out the GP legacy since so many have left from the fascist regime.

Sincerely,
Fireball, from Gundam Project to Forever

Seig Gundam Project! Long live Mark Simmons!

[Return of the Peacecraft]

*Nod* Thanks. I don't know of many who admired me from Gundam Project. I know who you are, we've exchanged words there before. Keep the dream alive, because unfortunately, that's all it can be now.

[Fireball]

Well you know the saying, its alive in you. We still have Mark and myself there to say anything. Thanks for recognizing me when I was just a newbie.

[Wing Zero Alpha]

Black said:

Whoo. You honestly don't know what it feels like to be a site administrator or moderator. Let me start out by saying this: I never went to Gundam Watch. I never went to Gundam Project. I did, however, go to G.com and AX, where many of the things you describe also happened there. It also happened to a lesser degree on my first board, Colony (sadly, it no longer exists, as the store that it was being funded by shut down, and thus there was no reason to keep the board running).

First off, I'm guilty of being a site disturber. On a particularly bad day, I insulted an idiot and lost my place as semi-respected member of the G.com and AX forums. But, such is life. Second: I've been a moderator on a few message boards (most notably, I think, Zeon Hunter and Colony), and it's a damned hard job (even on a small board such as ZH, but, then again, one idiot made up for all the rest). These people are only human, and they have to deal with idiots of half of your

[/u][/b] intellegence every day. These people have to repeatedly take complaints until they burst, and that's not fair. You're not making their jobs any easier by disagreeing with the things they set in stone. I can imagine that it must have been quite an infraction of the rules on your part in the first place, otherwise you'd have never gotten banned. Arguing with the Mods is one thing, but arguing[/u][/b] with is quite a different thing (if you get what I'm saying). So, trying to spew a new "I'm so high and mighty now that the old regime is gone!" isn't a very good thing to do. Saying that Gundam Project was "a haven that GB and the rest of GW could only dream of creating" wasn't cool, either. These people obviously had to deal with you once, but twice? That's bad. (I can only imagine what life would have been like if Char999 had decided to "grace" us with his prescence a second time.) It's different when you're a regular member, but when you're a Moderator or Administrator, you see things from a very different view. And sometimes having strict rules is the only way a board can function. They're dictatorships and regimes, not democracies. Try a board that works democratically, and I'll tell you how it'll turn into before it withers and dies. In fact, this is the closest to a democratic board that I've ever seen, and it still has its hinges. I'm sure there are still "board politics" behind the scenes, but at least nobody states them flat-out. Maybe a lot of them learned their[/u][/b] lesson the first time...[/quote]

Lah dey friggin dah to them. For the record, I've been a Mod (you know, stuff like Gundam Project which had 2000+ members before Mark Simmons took it down) AND a site Admin myself on several occasions, and I have dealt with idiots as you describe. But that's still no excuse to have such policies. You might as well excuse Joseph Stalin for killing off a good number of his own people because he didn't want to have any rebellions against his power. You're right, you do see things differently, life is indeed hell when to keep order. But still, that's no excuse to how they run GW. Instead of a gathering place for fans, they've turned it into an Oceania, an online MB kingdom where they control all freedoms. Granted, you have the choice to leave if it doesn't fit you (which is why I haven't returned there til now), but still, it's a power trip to these guys. If anyone questions their power, no matter who they are, they do get banned, and their words get deleted or locked away. As in the case of Milliardo Peacecraft, while his approach wasn't the best, he did have points, and I think that's what upset ZM more than just his attitude.

On your point about the moraless MBs, I've been to a few, and while they do tend to be chaotic, at least I can say whatever I want without fear of somebody who disagrees with me abusing their peace keeping rights just to keep me quiet. Isn't that how most so-called regimes work? Instead of warlords and individual states, you have one guy like Saddam Hussein or Adolf Hitler that who calls the shots, and has his Gestapo/Titans/KGB/insert-intimidating-title-here group enforce the streets to make sure no one has a single thought on rebellion. Authority is required, but not to that kind of degree, where control is always maintained. But what do I know? I've only been to this board whereas you haven't, and I've know these people since my first days at Gundam Project.

[Mega Raptor]

I'm not gonna close this or anything, but please try to be a bit more civil, guys.

And frankly, I have to agree with Milly and Alpha on this one, both as an admin here and a lurker/member of GW and AM.

There's a difference between keeping idiots in line and killing your board with rules.

[Black Ace]

As I previously stated, I've never been to Gundam Watch. I'm simply basing my opinion off of the few things I've heard about it, and my experience as a Mod. Can the board really be that bad? I can't help but think that everyone is exaggerating in their bitterness. My brother has been there many a time, and he has yet to encounter any problems with the staff.

[Return of the Peacecraft]

Here's a bright idea. Why don't you check it out for yourself before making a statement, and come back and let us know what you think. Don't be afraid to be yourself, and if you receive threats via PM, you'll begin to see what we're talking about.

In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it.