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Post by Infested Manae on Nov 29, 2004 22:24:04 GMT -5
Are you kidding? Normal every-day street clothes (ie, T-shirt and shorts) are enough to drop your comfort range from 96 degrees to 70-72. Also, I missed that comment earlier. It's no so much that 800 years ago man didn't have the ability to be as smart as he is today, they lacked the education and technology. I mean, think about it: by five you were either an apprentice or working in the fields the rest of your life. You weren't allowed to learn to read; there was no need. Priests were the only people who needed to read. Even nobels might be illiterate. At the same time, there were some ingenious things done 800 years ago. Sure, they lacked medical knowledge, and even some simple engineering ideas, but they managed to build some castles that still stand today, didn't they? Farming technology might have come far since those days, but it has its roots in there, ever improving. Tell you what. Go watch 'Connections' sometime. Damn good show. And you realize, not only are people in older times smarter than we give credit, they're responsible for what we have today. Like I've said in the past, could you imagine where we'd be today if we'd not slipped into a dark age after Rome fell?
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Post by Tobari Sabbatine on Nov 30, 2004 9:43:30 GMT -5
Rome would have ruled the planet i guess.
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Post by Triyun on Nov 30, 2004 13:44:51 GMT -5
No Malakym Rome had reached its geographical extent. The reason the Empire fell had a lot to do with the Persians were far more of a threat to Rome than the Barbarians. The Roman Empire went into decline because they used a lot of resources fighting on that front as well even though they eventually won, the Persians were always a thorn in the Eastern Empire's side.
I'm not quite sure Manae I agree with you completely, a vital element of western civilization is the seperation of church and state, had a strong Emperor been about, the Pope might have eventually become his junior partner like in the East with the Patriarch did in the Orthodox church. However if they restored the Senate and republican rule, Western Civilization totally would have kicked ass and probably Islam would not have spread against the combined might of East and West halting it at the Arabian Border.
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Post by Juan on Nov 30, 2004 16:45:08 GMT -5
Try going into a very cold part of the country totally shaved, wearing clothes from that area. You will be alot more frozen then anyone else. The head is the part of the body that lets out the most heat, and hair is VERY IMPORTANT to keep heat. Without hair, you would need to wear like a full body suit covering every inch of your body to keep warm.
And the mind is infact evolving. Mind capacity itself has been infact increasing along with knowledge itself.
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Post by DarkAries on Nov 30, 2004 20:50:32 GMT -5
Does that explain why we're watching Simon Cowell and Jay Leno, so on and so forth?
Human evolution is moving more along cultural lines these days. Habits are evolving.
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Post by Tobari Sabbatine on Dec 1, 2004 11:32:22 GMT -5
No Malakym Rome had reached its geographical extent. The reason the Empire fell had a lot to do with the Persians were far more of a threat to Rome than the Barbarians. The Roman Empire went into decline because they used a lot of resources fighting on that front as well even though they eventually won, the Persians were always a thorn in the Eastern Empire's side. I'm not quite sure Manae I agree with you completely, a vital element of western civilization is the seperation of church and state, had a strong Emperor been about, the Pope might have eventually become his junior partner like in the East with the Patriarch did in the Orthodox church. However if they restored the Senate and republican rule, Western Civilization totally would have kicked ass and probably Islam would not have spread against the combined might of East and West halting it at the Arabian Border. one: Persia was no more then, Alex the Great conquerd it. The reason why it felled was the Huns and the Guals. Rome began to fall wend they began to have too much lurxuries they got lazy and wanted more stuff. Which emptied there gold stocks which made then loss they're high quilty Legion thus why late Rome Legions wasn't Romans any more. they didn't have the lust for glory and had a lust for gold now. So if Rome hadn't because something to the lines of 'libbries' then it would have held it self to they it grown into it's teratories making they're out post cities thus having a more Legions to conquor more land enslave more people, and get more money to buy more Cohorts. Plus some of the Emperors were crazy like their 'JFK' would had sex with his sister and dressed like a woman.
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Post by Triyun on Dec 1, 2004 11:40:08 GMT -5
Alexander the Great conquered ONE of the Persian Empires throughout history. There were several Malakym. Just like there were several German Empires and Several Chinese Empires. encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761564512/Persia.htmllook at section IV. They never beat Rome but they kept their eastern flank busy.
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Post by Kensai on Dec 1, 2004 13:10:58 GMT -5
But rome did fall because of the legions. They created inflation through the numerous coups they made, ebcause they had to make more coins to pay the troops. They were nowletting barbarians into the army, thus the barbarians were now learning roman tactics. And, the legions were just not being held up to the strict standards of the old roman empire. That is what killed rome.
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Post by Triyun on Dec 1, 2004 17:08:24 GMT -5
That was part of it but not the whole picture. Rome's Western Empire also fell because resources were shifted to the East, including the best military units. There's a reason the Eastern Empire was so strong when originally the West was the stronghold of Rome and the East was its more wild area.
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Post by Tobari Sabbatine on Dec 2, 2004 0:01:59 GMT -5
Alexander the Great conquered ONE of the Persian Empires throughout history. There were several Malakym. Just like there were several German Empires and Several Chinese Empires. encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761564512/Persia.htmllook at section IV. They never beat Rome but they kept their eastern flank busy. I see I knew about the Seleucid Empire but not that one. Yes they lost becuase they were spending too much gold on crap like orgies inseted of using it on troops. Thus if they had Early Legion Cohorts (the ones used by Ceasar), we would all be Romans. Maybe the Great Lirbary of Alexsandra would still be here.
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Post by Triyun on Dec 3, 2004 8:54:05 GMT -5
They actually aren't sure who burned the library, some say it was the Romans, others blame the christians, others blame the muslims.
The roman legions were not spending all their money on orgies, they actually had a very large army at the end. It was the west's infratstructure was degraded, there were always orgies.
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Post by Tobari Sabbatine on Dec 3, 2004 11:38:51 GMT -5
They actually aren't sure who burned the library, some say it was the Romans, others blame the christians, others blame the muslims. The roman legions were not spending all their money on orgies, they actually had a very large army at the end. It was the west's infratstructure was degraded, there were always orgies. Well that was one thing they did. I belive the Romans did in fact burn the Library by mistack wend taking over the city. pushing the world back 1000 years.
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Post by Triyun on Dec 3, 2004 11:50:59 GMT -5
See the problem with that is Augustus's truimph over Cleopatra and Marc Anthony makes it really hard to account for the other two major theories, because they happened afterwards. And the Roman's were the most advanced in terms of the sciences of any civilization, what was lost are things like sophocles's plays and other things of that nature. So it was a big set back culturally, but when you look at the architectural ability of the Roman's, the military technology, the government system, and the Byzantine's advanced naval technology, the Romans only advanced civilization in those aspects.
I would tend to give the most credence in a historical sense on the Christians burning it because they basically killed off the native egyptian religons last priests and have tended until recently to be the most intolerant of new ideas of the three groups. Rome burning it would be odd because there are these other accounts that would have been much later. Especially during the early days to the destruction of the Abbasid Caliphate by the Mongols, Muslims tended to be the most scholarly civilization and were much more tolerant than the Christians of other ideas.
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Post by Tobari Sabbatine on Dec 3, 2004 14:06:02 GMT -5
true true now it seems it has flipflop a bit. They're still a few scrolls let and stuff.
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Post by Triyun on Dec 3, 2004 14:17:44 GMT -5
Some of the knowledge survives in other forms. Its not left over from the library itself. How the library got texts was in order for ships from other countries to dock in Alexandria's harbor they had to bring their own works. The library's scribes would make copies of them, therefore there was more than one of each thing.
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