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Post by Raz V5.0 on Nov 20, 2004 22:36:44 GMT -5
Israel is only uber aggresive because of what happened in the Olympics in the 60's or 70's, can't remember exactly. You remember that don't you?
Palestinian Terrorist Group, Black September, went to a hotel in Germany with Israeli athletes and murdered them rather brutally.
Good fucking riddance. Arafat is the one of the reasons the Middle East is so fucked up. One of the others, Saddam, has already been taken care of. Once we get rid of Itollyah, there finally may be a chance for peace.
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Post by DarkAries on Nov 22, 2004 19:44:22 GMT -5
Hah. You wish.
These problems run deeper than simple heads like Saddam or Arafat or the Ayatollah. There is a completely seperate face to Islam that the US thinks it's at war with. The uber-right fanatic part of it. It's small, and it's kinda dumb, but it's prone to bursts of insight, and it's very very dangerous. Nasty big pointy teeth, y'know?
Yet, despite that, there's also a very large section of Islam that just wants to live life and make business, y'know?
And Aries ain't just talking about the Sunni's and the Shi'ites. This goes deeper than that.
And you can understand why Aries looks at fundamentalism as a disease here...
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Post by Cygnus X-1 on Nov 23, 2004 15:40:44 GMT -5
At the League of Arab States meeting at MUN we watched some BBC footage of an Israeli gunnship clearly targeting and launching a missile at a fully occupied Palestinian ambulance, making it dissapear from the face of the earth. In an instant.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Nov 23, 2004 23:27:11 GMT -5
... I'd like to see that piece of evidence, then, because that's all I've heard of it...
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Post by Mega Raptor on Nov 25, 2004 17:08:26 GMT -5
The entire area's been a mess for a long time now, and the arbitrary establishment of Israel as a sovreign nation did NOT make things any better.
Really, at this point there isn't much we can do. The people causing the problem are so dead set on getting their way that the place is a powderkeg.
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Post by Cygnus X-1 on Nov 27, 2004 14:54:41 GMT -5
... I'd like to see that piece of evidence, then, because that's all I've heard of it... I know that it's hard to actually believe without the actual footage, but I couldn't find it anywhere.
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Post by Meyo-san on Nov 29, 2004 14:14:16 GMT -5
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Post by Mega Raptor on Nov 29, 2004 17:04:37 GMT -5
Well, personally I think making Israel a nation again in the first place was a mistake. There was no real reason to do it.
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Post by DarkAries on Nov 29, 2004 20:52:04 GMT -5
Well, they did it.
We go from there.
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Post by Meyo-san on Nov 30, 2004 10:25:34 GMT -5
Well, they did it. We go from there. Exactly, pretty much you'd have to call it the first of the UN's bungling, but still, you can't blame the Israelis for what the idiots at the UN did.
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Post by Cygnus X-1 on Dec 1, 2004 17:54:25 GMT -5
And Israel fended them off. However much I agree that Israel shouldn't be its own country, the Arab countries were the aggressors. However, Israel is now the aggressor, and to an extreme.
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Post by Meyo-san on Dec 1, 2004 18:51:07 GMT -5
And Israel fended them off. However much I agree that Israel shouldn't be its own country, the Arab countries were the aggressors. However, Israel is now the aggressor, and to an extreme. And yet, why do you think that is? UN: Because the Jewish suffered the holocaust, we'll give them a country, but we will not help them if their neighbors attack. *24 hours later, Israel is attacked, and UN sticks it's thumb up it's ass.* UN: Told you that we wouldn't be helping you, you have to fend for yourselves. Israel has to become agressive, to keep themselves safe from terrorists, and terrorists aren't above hiding with non-combatants.
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Post by Triyun on Dec 3, 2004 8:58:04 GMT -5
Mav first you are getting biased information at those websites. Second even though the Arabs did attack, they were mad as hell that westerners put a jewish state on other people's land. The only claim they had to it was in the bible, thousands of years ago. Native Americans have better claims to everyone's home on this board!
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Post by Meyo-san on Dec 4, 2004 16:20:47 GMT -5
Mav first you are getting biased information at those websites. Second even though the Arabs did attack, they were mad as hell that westerners put a jewish state on other people's land. The only claim they had to it was in the bible, thousands of years ago. Native Americans have better claims to everyone's home on this board! But yet, the fact still remains, the Arabs attacked first, biased or not.
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Post by Triyun on Dec 4, 2004 17:54:16 GMT -5
Ok lets get this straight, if your the islamic ummah (whole community of muslims) and I am the West, if I plop a nation in the middle of your lands that you own and declare these people's 2000 year ago country is suddenly going to be rebuilt, you aren't going to take military action. If the rest of the world said the native americans could kick you out of your house and take back a piece of land that they have a much newer claim to, you would not just keel over an accept that nor would the rest of the country.
They attacked because their brethern were robbed of land.
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