Post by steel on Jun 4, 2005 5:39:05 GMT -5
Cygnus, climate change is normal. Perhaps it has been increased in rate slightly, but the majority of the pollution isn't coming from cars. It's coming from factories and fossil fueled power stations.
Besides, did you also happen to know, that it's the exact same engine in the Range Rover that is in the Jaguar XKR, XK8, XJR, and XJ? Because they give the exact same pollution, hence my statement.
Example, is that the XJR uses the V8 Supercharged Jaguar engine, and guess what? The new Range Rover Sport uses the V8 Supercharged Jaguar engine.
All the current engines in Range Rovers, Range Rover Sports, and the Discovery 3 (LR3 over there) use Jaguar engines.
Alot these vehicles can also be ran on much greener fuel. An example is Bio-Diesel, which is bio-degradable, and is grown in fields. Then there's LPG, which is still not as enviromentally friendly as Bio-diesel, but is still slightly better than standard Petrol. There is also a new alternative fuel to replace Petrol being developed, but I've forgotten its name now.
But the big problem is that, if you look here in the UK, the government is making almost no effort at all in introducing alternative fuels for these slightly larger vehicles/more thirsty vehicles.
There is also the fact that, there are many buses here that are polluting much much worse than a 4x4, yet the bloody government does nothing. Everyone is just attacking the 4x4s right now as it is an "easy target".
Why not go after the trucks? MPVs? Buses? Aircraft?
They all pollute just as bad if not much worse.
If you also look at the developments of the newer 4x4s, you will notice the companies are doing their best to improve the emissions given off by their vehicles.
Greenpeace should be attacking the government to improve it, not ban 4x4s all together. For I do beleive in the right of choice as well.
What is the safety you are refering to by interest? The safety of the people outside the vehicle or in it?
If you want to bring in the roll over issue, then, I'd suggest you take a look at the Range Rover Sport in action. Also, did you happen to know the Police Force uses Range Rovers here for persuit vehicles?
The whole reason why 4x4s/SUVs tend to use up more fuel than a smaller car, is not commonly because of the engine's efficiency, but because that engine is having to move alot more weight than if it was in a smaller car. Hence why the Jaguar's will return slightly better MPG.
The Discovery 3 returns around 24-30mpg depending on the engine type and how you are driving it and if you are driving on a stop, go, stop, go in the city, or cruising.
Besides, we have a Mercedes at our house, 1994 model, 2.3 Litre petrol, and that returns 27mpg. Not that good is it? Pretty close to what modern Jags do today even. The V6 3 Litre X-Type Jaguar is lucky to even return 18mpg, while the 4.2 Litre V8 Supercharged gives around 20mpg in the XKR.
I get the distinct feeling that you are either a member of the RA, or a member of Greenpeace or some other silly orginisation which needs to re-order itself on what it needs to do...
....and Raz, just shut the fuck up if you havn't got anything decent to say, okay?
Besides, did you also happen to know, that it's the exact same engine in the Range Rover that is in the Jaguar XKR, XK8, XJR, and XJ? Because they give the exact same pollution, hence my statement.
Example, is that the XJR uses the V8 Supercharged Jaguar engine, and guess what? The new Range Rover Sport uses the V8 Supercharged Jaguar engine.
All the current engines in Range Rovers, Range Rover Sports, and the Discovery 3 (LR3 over there) use Jaguar engines.
Alot these vehicles can also be ran on much greener fuel. An example is Bio-Diesel, which is bio-degradable, and is grown in fields. Then there's LPG, which is still not as enviromentally friendly as Bio-diesel, but is still slightly better than standard Petrol. There is also a new alternative fuel to replace Petrol being developed, but I've forgotten its name now.
But the big problem is that, if you look here in the UK, the government is making almost no effort at all in introducing alternative fuels for these slightly larger vehicles/more thirsty vehicles.
There is also the fact that, there are many buses here that are polluting much much worse than a 4x4, yet the bloody government does nothing. Everyone is just attacking the 4x4s right now as it is an "easy target".
Why not go after the trucks? MPVs? Buses? Aircraft?
They all pollute just as bad if not much worse.
If you also look at the developments of the newer 4x4s, you will notice the companies are doing their best to improve the emissions given off by their vehicles.
Greenpeace should be attacking the government to improve it, not ban 4x4s all together. For I do beleive in the right of choice as well.
What is the safety you are refering to by interest? The safety of the people outside the vehicle or in it?
If you want to bring in the roll over issue, then, I'd suggest you take a look at the Range Rover Sport in action. Also, did you happen to know the Police Force uses Range Rovers here for persuit vehicles?
The whole reason why 4x4s/SUVs tend to use up more fuel than a smaller car, is not commonly because of the engine's efficiency, but because that engine is having to move alot more weight than if it was in a smaller car. Hence why the Jaguar's will return slightly better MPG.
The Discovery 3 returns around 24-30mpg depending on the engine type and how you are driving it and if you are driving on a stop, go, stop, go in the city, or cruising.
Besides, we have a Mercedes at our house, 1994 model, 2.3 Litre petrol, and that returns 27mpg. Not that good is it? Pretty close to what modern Jags do today even. The V6 3 Litre X-Type Jaguar is lucky to even return 18mpg, while the 4.2 Litre V8 Supercharged gives around 20mpg in the XKR.
I get the distinct feeling that you are either a member of the RA, or a member of Greenpeace or some other silly orginisation which needs to re-order itself on what it needs to do...
....and Raz, just shut the fuck up if you havn't got anything decent to say, okay?