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Post by Triyun on Oct 13, 2004 21:00:43 GMT -5
Opinions, I thought Bush had a really strong start, cause of the structure he got a great last word in. But he's been going down since then. So far I'm giving it to Kerry.
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Post by Pkmatrix on Oct 14, 2004 18:18:50 GMT -5
I have to agree, only because Kerry discussed actual solutions to the problems posed, while Bush kept changing the subject to Education. Okay, it's important and all...but the No Child Left Behind program ISN'T the solution to EVERYTHING.
Otherwise, this debate was an all-out disaster for both sides. These idiots made themselves look like morons! IN THE FIRST HALF HOUR! ;D If I wasn't being forced to cover this for the college newspaper, I would have changed the channel...
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Post by Draco Starcloud on Oct 14, 2004 18:57:37 GMT -5
I only caught the closing statements, but they were more than enough to convince me that Bush is trying to hard to be funny and Kerry just isn't funny at all.
The most either of them got was a half-hearted chuckle from some of the people there.
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Post by DarkAries on Oct 14, 2004 19:02:46 GMT -5
Kerry didn't need to be funny.
Aries is one of those Yale Debate Coaches-whatever (no, Aries has never even SEEN Yale...), so Aries was counting points through all three debates.
Aries'll stow his partisanship for a moment. Bush is seriously 0-3 on these debates, and Aries is nearly certain he's toast as a result.
Nearly, Aries says, because we've got nineteen days of EVEN MORE negative Super Neo-Con tactics and ads to trudge through.
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Post by Ai on Oct 14, 2004 19:10:56 GMT -5
Well it's a good thing you counted, cause the masses sure as hell didn't, and I'm fairly certain things are grave for Kerry. It may just be all these rich cunts influencing their kids here in NJ, but a lot of the kids in my school are Bush supporters. I DAMN THE MIDDLE CLASS!!!
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Post by DarkAries on Oct 14, 2004 20:05:23 GMT -5
Get started.
*rolls his eyes.*
You've got a lot of ground to cover.
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Post by Meyo-san on Oct 15, 2004 10:02:14 GMT -5
Kerry didn't need to be funny. Indeed, the fact that he seems to think hard before saying things that will haunt him the next day makes it funny. Funny thing is that name-calling is something that many democrats do, and that is something that really isn't acceptable. Also I found Kerry's remark about Cheney's daughter to be a cheap political maneuver. |
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Post by Triyun on Oct 15, 2004 11:49:39 GMT -5
I agree with you on the daughter mentioning thing. It was a bit out of line, though I think Kerry did have good intentions. On the other side, I think that democrats shouldn't talk about the Cheney's gay just as much as Republicans shouldn't launch smear campaigns against Kerry's wife. Democrats as a mind set don't really consider having lesbian daughters a big deal as much as republicans though and you have to remember that. As I recall Dick Gephardt one of Kerry's best friends in congress has one, and she talks about it opennly and doesn't really consider it a big deal. So its a bit of a cultural gap.
Its like when I'm with my liberal friends we don't consider homosexuality or even gay marriage a big deal. Our belief is let them, it doesn't affect anyone else the government shouldn't discriminate. When I'm around my conservative friends, I tread a bit more carefully because they oppose homosexuality in general (thanks to rural Roman Catholic, which is a lot more extremist than what you'd find in say NYC, propaganda). They also somehow oppose the big bang theory and some even evolution, but thats beside the point.
As for negative ads, the statistics show republicans have launched more by far. Not to mention the theme of the democratic convention was one of hope and optimism, the Republican one was a giant smear extravaganza. Barack Obama the democrats keynote speaker talked about one America, the republicans keynote speaker Zell Miller talked about how it was unamerican to question a president if you have serious concerns about his actions, and then proceeded to challenge Chris Matthews to a deul.
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Post by Ai on Oct 15, 2004 14:22:28 GMT -5
Funny thing is that name-calling is something that many democrats do, and that is something that really isn't acceptable. Also I found Kerry's remark about Cheney's daughter to be a cheap political maneuver. Maybe cheap, but it makes sense.  |
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Post by NeoEllis on Oct 15, 2004 17:08:50 GMT -5
...Zell Miller talked about how it was unamerican to question a president if you have serious concerns about his actions, and then proceeded to challenge Chris Matthews to a deul. Part of me is never going to get over that one, but I digress. On the issue of Republicans calling Kerry out for the mention of Cheney's daughter: Sure, it was a tad out of line, but on the other hand, it's so mind bogglingly hypocritical of the Republicans to attack Kerry for that one I can't help but wonder why it really needs to be debated at all. As for the topic of democrats and name calling, "Go fuck yourself". |
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Post by DarkAries on Oct 15, 2004 23:30:14 GMT -5
Aries noticed the Mary Cheney thing when and as it happened.
Aries didn't think it was out of line.
They're just attempting to blow this all out of proportion, like they always do...
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Post by Triyun on Oct 15, 2004 23:59:59 GMT -5
What is really amusing is Sean Hannity calling this the lowest of tricks democrats have used. Yet his mentor Rush Limbaugh said things about Chelsey Clinton that were a lot worse when she was only like 13, and he meant them negatively. Kerry may have had an error in judgement but he did not mean to insult anyone, rather he thought he was showing how a conservative family can embrace a homosexual member. To this day Hannity and the other consevative spinsters have never condemned Rush Limbaugh for those comments. Thats a really big hypocrisy. Really they are raising a lot of the issue because they got so badly beaten in the debates. I mean the first one was a massacre and the other two were pretty decisive victories for Kerry.
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