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Post by Triyun on Sept 30, 2004 12:10:32 GMT -5
Lol! On a serious note, does anybody know why people become independants. It doesn't make sense, they say its out of disgust for the two parties, but if you an independant you can't vote in a primary and the ideological base always gets to pick the nominee.
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Post by Mega Raptor on Sept 30, 2004 12:45:19 GMT -5
I'm a registered non-partisan just because I don't agree with any major party enough to warrant joining it.
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Post by Triyun on Sept 30, 2004 13:19:19 GMT -5
But see, that makes you a centerist presumably. Aside from funding (which does have its corrupt parts) organizations are in place in both parties which allow it to do so well. Basically I guess what I'm saying is, in order to be successful as a candidate you almost have to have a party backing you, why not join one party and try to get a nominee who is more moderate. Like in 2000 if centerists who supported him had registered as Republicans he would have won the nomination and most likely the presidency. In 2004 Gephardt or Liebermann might have won, they didn't run very good campaigns though so its not clear. The point being you don't actually have to vote democrat if your democrat on election day same if your a republican, but you can influence the primaries and if you don't like the guys the parties have been nominating do something about it instead of sitting on the fence complaining.
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Post by NeoEllis on Oct 3, 2004 11:38:39 GMT -5
I'm a registered independent because I still haven't settled on the Democratic Party, Green Party or the Working Families Party.
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Post by The Giant-Size Man Thing on Oct 3, 2004 11:43:07 GMT -5
If I were you, Ellis, I'd go with the one that actually has a chance of actually getting elected. You can change later if needed. As Triyun said, you don't have to vote Democrat even if you're registered as one.
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Post by Triyun on Oct 3, 2004 12:39:07 GMT -5
Exactly, look at Oklahoma, it has more registered democrats than republicans yet it always goes republican in presidential elections. Party registration basically just gives you a bonus of voting in primaries.
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Post by The Giant-Size Man Thing on Oct 3, 2004 13:27:12 GMT -5
It's like having your cake and eating it too. It's a win-win situation.
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Post by Draco Starcloud on Oct 3, 2004 14:44:08 GMT -5
It's like having your cake and eating it too. No offense to you Goji, but I have always thought of that analogy as one of the worst ever. What is the point of having cake if you can't eat it? You don't win at all if you have a cake you can't eat or if you can eat a cake that you don't have.
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Post by The Giant-Size Man Thing on Oct 3, 2004 17:01:08 GMT -5
No offense to you Goji, but I have always thought of that analogy as one of the worst ever. What is the point of having cake if you can't eat it? You don't win at all if you have a cake you can't eat or if you can eat a cake that you don't have. I wasn't the one who came up with it. It just works in this situation.
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Post by Mega Raptor on Oct 3, 2004 17:18:31 GMT -5
Yeah, Triyun, the thing about that is it's a bit too much work to switch between parties for every primary, and frankly, I'm a lazy, lazy man.
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Post by Infested Manae on Oct 3, 2004 17:56:10 GMT -5
No offense to you Goji, but I have always thought of that analogy as one of the worst ever. What is the point of having cake if you can't eat it? You don't win at all if you have a cake you can't eat or if you can eat a cake that you don't have. Having a cake is a great thing. You have a cake. Cake is good. So, you eat it. But now, you don't have a cake anymore. Begin crying. If you eat the cake, you don't have a cake anymore. If you don't eat it, you still have a cake, but you can't enjoy it. But, if you can have a cake, and eat it, you will be in heaven. I mean, come on. It's a lot of work to make a cake. Anyway, I'm independant because I don't really care that much to vote in primaries. I mean, I might look and say "Damn, I was hoping he'd win the nomination" at some point, but I have no desire to be labeled as either a Democrat or Republican, even if it's meaningless during the election. Besides, I agree with ideas (and disagree) of both parties. I'm not going to flip a coin to chose a party. I'm just going to be independant.
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Post by Raz V5.0 on Oct 10, 2004 21:42:47 GMT -5
...Meh, politics are gay.
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Post by Juan on Oct 10, 2004 21:45:52 GMT -5
...Meh, politics are gay. I am inclined to agree.
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Post by Ai on Oct 11, 2004 14:21:34 GMT -5
...Meh, politics are gay. I love this man.
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